Earnings Sentiment

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Bullish Statements during Earnings call

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Our guidance range for the first quarter reflects continued strong demand for our Dragonfly inspection systems to support increases in AI device production
They've done a great job working with our suppliers, working internally, moving resources from one factory to another, for instance from California to Minnesota in order to ensure that we are able to meet the ramp with the level of quality that customers expect from us, and even increase it again
As you may have already seen, Onto Innovation had a strong end to the year, with fourth quarter revenues exceeding the high end of our guidance range
As Mike highlighted, we closed the fourth quarter with revenue of $219 million, up 6% versus the third, and a revenue milestone for us in 2023, exceeding our guidance range while achieving a high mark for revenue within the year
We just know our job right now is to make sure we have as stronger position in gate-all-around as possible so when it does ramp, we can benefit the most we possibly can
Financially, we're starting to benefit from tighter controls and operational efficiencies, which resulted in generating over 28% of cash from operations in the quarter, while still supporting the multi-quarter surge in demand for the Dragonfly systems
We expect AI packaging to be a strong driver for 2024, with our backlog already extending into the second-half of the year
We're only in the dawn of the AI era, and the outlook is very exciting
But I'm actually very impressed with our team
Several markets have contributed to this growth, including power semiconductors, where demand for our solutions increased 50% this year
We're encouraged by the recent comments from TSMC during their earnings call, in which they are forecasting a 50% CAGR through 2027 for their AI application processors
Broadly speaking, we see advanced packaging, especially for the leading-edge AI devices, will be a healthy multiyear driver for our business
It is fully integrated with our software solutions, which we expect will help our customers accelerate their ability to reach productivity and yield targets, especially for the next generation of heterogeneous packaging technologies
Specialty device and advanced packaging, with record revenue of $158 million, increased 17% over Q3, and represents 72% of revenue
We're optimistic that these placements indicate a strengthening of our position, when volumes ramps occur, likely in early 2025
Based on the strength of our AI packaging business and gradual recovery in the advanced nodes, we project low double-digit growth for the year
This was primarily due to stronger-than-projected demand for Dragonfly inspection systems to support packaging of memory and logic devices for AI applications
Mark, nice to hear that the efficiency enhancements are benefiting things like cash generation, with record operating cash flow
Both operating income and net income performance versus the third quarter highlight our improving operating leverage within the year
It's a Swiss Army Knife containing both inspection, metrology, unique capabilities, and clear find that our customers have driven us to ever greater levels of performance
We expect improvements in margins will soon follow, bringing us back in line with our long-term operating model by end of the year
Fourth quarter EPS increased 10% sequentially to $1.06, exceeding the midpoint of our guidance but constrained by the decline in our high-margin advanced nodes business and lower services parts revenue within the quarter
In contrast, advanced node spending is still at historical lows, but we do expect advanced node revenue to pick up a bit in the first quarter, and gain some strength through the year
In fact, since the start of the year, quarterly revenue for the specialty device and advanced packaging markets has grown 65%, while on an annual basis revenues have risen from $220 million, in 2020, to just over $500 million in 2023
Could you talk about the order momentum you're seeing, is that kind of the trajectory that you -- that continues as we go into next quarter? Michael Plisinski Going into the next [multiple speakers], so the backlog is there to -- yes, so going into the next two quarters, we'll be strong, and reflected in the increase in our guidance
So, not saying who's who, but in the shell game of one, two, three, we think the third is also picking up now and investing, and they have some unique technology that they think is going to help give them some market share advantages
So, some of these fabs still have a lot of opportunity to improve yields and therefore improve output without huge capital expense
So, let's begin with our specialty and advanced packaging customers, where the boom in AI spending lifted revenue from this market by 17% over the prior quarter, and set a consecutive quarterly record
But the greatest and most consistent growth has come from our long-standing partnerships with the top semiconductor manufacturers and their increasing investments in advanced packaging, including chiplet and 3D memory architectures
Even with ramping Dragonfly production requiring us to procure long lead time items, we do expect further reduction in inventory days outstanding as inventory optimization remains a critical working capital focus area to drive consistent cash flow performance exceeding 20% of revenue
       

Bearish Statements during earnings call

Statement
Turning briefly to the advanced nodes, as we projected, revenue from these customers declined in the fourth quarter
Software and services, with revenue of $42 million, declined 8% over Q3, while representing 20% of revenue
However, the timing and magnitude of the recovery in advanced nodes remains uncertain even as we see took utilizations improving and incremental technology buys increasing
Looking at the quarterly revenue by markets, advanced nodes, which had revenue of $18 million, declined 30% over Q3, and represents 8% of revenue
We expect gross margins will be between 51% to 53% as we continue to experience historical lows in the advanced nodes business, and only the initial phases of our supply chain reductions taking hold in the quarter
Obviously, advanced nodes is very cyclically depressed, and you're not calling for that big of a pickup in that business at the moment this year, but you do expect to be in the model, back in the target model
Although revenue was light overall, we continue to receive early orders for gate-all-around pilot lines
The third one felt like it was still a little bit muted
I think there's still -- as I mentioned, still a lot of uncertainties, when we'll see real volumes picking up; maybe in the second-half or maybe into early next year
And how many points of drag on gross margins is the depressed revenue level in advanced nodes right now? Mark Slicer Yes, I wouldn't comment specifically on that
And then, last quarter you talk about a second HBM customer becomes aggressive
So, lead times, somewhat misleading
I think that's always been something we've talked about for years that in these really advanced applications, our Dragonfly tends to shine
Inventory ended the quarter at $328 million, a decrease of $18 million from Q3, representing a 14% reduction of our days inventory outstanding
   

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