Earnings Sentiment

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Bullish Statements during Earnings call

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And the business has a cost structure that positions well for further growth when industrial activity accelerates in the future
Net sales in the quarter benefited from 5% higher volumes in North American beverage, which were offset by the pass-through of lower raw material costs and lower volumes across most other businesses
And then the other segments, we had a very strong result in the equipment business in Q1 last year, and I’ll bet you if I had numbers in front of me, I’ll bet you our equipment businesses, probably down in the order of $10 million to $12 million alone, Q1 ‘24 versus Q1 ‘23
The beverage can equipment business, it’s been an excellent business for us for a number of years
For the year, the company delivered record adjusted EBITDA of $1.882 billion, an 8% improvement compared to the $1.744 billion in 2022
The improvement was driven by a 4% overall volume growth in Americas Beverage, the contractual recovery of prior year’s inflationary cost in European Beverage, and cost saving initiatives in Transit Packaging
The company achieved $661 million of free cash flow in ‘23, driven by record EBITDA, exceptional working capital management that also included the reduction of approximately $200 million in off-balance sheet factoring, and a continued disciplined approach to capital spending
The tinplate businesses, the food business is, as we said, well capitalized, doing quite well, income above pre-pandemic levels
As reflected in last night’s earnings release and as Kevin just reviewed, operating performance in the fourth quarter was well ahead of the prior year’s fourth quarter
Beverage can volumes remained strong in North America and Brazil, offsetting demand weakness in Europe and Asia
Now specifically to the business as you mentioned, listen, transit is an excellent business
We remain focused on operational improvements, generating cash from the businesses and further strengthening the balance sheet, positioning the company well for future growth
As Kevin noted, a record EBITDA performance for the company in 2023, with double-digit segment percentage gains found among the three largest businesses, Americas and European Beverage and Transit Packaging more than offsetting headwinds faced from the 2022 steel repricing and weak aerosol can demand
Operationally, 2023 was a strong year, with segment income up more than $100 million
The North American food business, with income above pre-pandemic levels, is well capitalized and continues to experience growth in the pet food category
Transit Packaging realized the benefits of significant cost savings in 2023, leading to their highest ever income performance despite a muted industrial backdrop
Free cash in the segment was again strong, with more than $300 million being generated on an unlevered basis
and Asia given our view of market demand, which will lead to higher utilizations near term while allowing for the company to meet future demand growth as new plants progress through learning curve
Cash flow performance was well above the prior year and earlier expectations, as we significantly adjusted production schedules to drive down working capital
But again, pretty – I know you guys are tired of hearing because you don’t like the business, but it’s a solid business that generates low to mid-teens returns on no capital
I think we are in a much better position after the Decatur closure
We’ve been able to offset that with cost reductions over the last couple of years
But obviously, as you could tell by the income results, that was significantly offset by cost reduction activities and better price/cost management
In total, earnings ahead of last year, but short of prior expectations due mainly to a higher tax rate and lower equity earnings
So we’re in pretty good balance in North America
These actions were necessary to align supply and demand and will lead to greater utilization, operational efficiencies and fixed cost absorption
We generated significant free cash flow, with deleveraging on plan to the lower end of our targeted range
And thanks and good luck in the quarter
Segment income was $382 million in the quarter compared to $292 million in the prior year, reflecting higher beverage can volumes in Americas Beverage, the contractual recovery of prior year’s inflationary cost in European beverage more than offsetting the underabsorption of fixed costs
These businesses all generate pretty substantial cash
       

Bearish Statements during earnings call

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Across our non-reportable businesses, income is forecast to be down in 2024 versus 2023, the result of continuing weak aerosol can demand and a significant slowdown in orders for new beverage can manufacturing equipment
In Europe, shipments were down mid-teens in the fourth quarter, with our shortfall compared to the market being the result of our weighting more towards Southern Europe versus Northern Europe
Volume softness was noted across each Asian country we operate in as the region continues to struggle with the effects of inflation, which have led to higher base cost levels against declining consumer purchasing power
As you may recall, in the first quarter of 2023, we initiated a downsizing of the beverage equipment business in response to slowing demand for can manufacturing equipment
The first thing I would say is that the real headwind that you faced last year and looking into this year is just the consumer is weak
On Europe, as I have said earlier, the challenge, and you probably heard others say as well, the challenge that we have right now is the consumer is under incredible pressure across Europe
Our volume dollars in Q4 were down on the order of 3.5%
The higher interest rate environment led to significant headwinds below the line in the form of higher interest and pension costs and lower equity earnings
And just to remind ourselves, we believe the market was down on the order of 5% in ‘22, and it was down on – or was up about 1% in ‘23
So we would expect that the first half of this year, again, volume dollars to be a headwind
And those markets were significantly weaker than the Northern European markets
And for the full year, we’re down in the order of 8.5%
And as you know, the industrial activity is down
As has been the case throughout the year, below the line items, that is, interest expense, pension and equity earnings, were all negative to prior year
And then you’ve got pretty sizable headwinds if you combine equipment, aerosols in Mexico
So I think – but this has more to do with overreaching government regulation in that central banks around the world have created a problem for all of us, specifically consumers on the lower end of the scale, and they are trying to paint somebody else as the bad guy and they first point their finger at the retailer, and then the retailer points their finger at the CPG
But I do think as I have said earlier, we have had periods before where in the can business where Europe has been down, it never stays down for long
I would say that European Beverage, probably a bit weaker in Q1 than we would have or you would have anticipated, and that’s largely the result of Q1 being a smaller quarter and – and while we do expect the European market to pick up in ‘24, we would expect that to be more back – more summer weighted, not Q1
Offset by volume gains and some restructuring gains
And I bet you if you took the equipment business, that could be down – Ghansham, year-on-year, that could be down on the order of $40 million
   

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