Earnings Sentiment

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Bullish Statements during Earnings call

Statement
I'm excited to share today that we're seeing an acceleration of clients coming from Brazil into the SaaS platform
And we're now just a few quarters away from that being the predominant source of revenue and being very profitable and driving forward
So Thryv customers are thriving and we're growing with them
EBITDA margin improvement was directly attributable to the aforementioned improvement in our adjusted gross margin, as well as continued reliance on low cash conversion out of our marketing services installed base of customers
And for the quarter, we're really happy to announce two notable improvements in our SaaS metrics
SaaS adjusted gross margins improved to 70% in the fourth quarter
And I think the improved fraction we're getting into zoo with marketing center and some of the other new developments that we've made give us a lot of confidence that that crossover point is -- nobody should worry about that
And so you end up with a lot better gross margins
Every client being upgraded also receives our unique Command Center, which helps them tackle the universal problem faced by SMBs, which is effective and efficient communication with customers with prospects and with their internal team members
Saas revenue was $74 million in the fourth quarter ahead of our guidance, representing an increase of 25% year-on-year and 10% sequentially
So I'll tell you that we've been really successful with these adding customers to the zoo and converting them
We expect to see continued expansion in this metric moving forward, we reported notable improvement in SaaS adjusted EBITDA in 2023, which significantly exceeded our guidance to close out the year
International is going really well for us
Our unparalleled advantage lies in the strategic selling of our SaaS products, directly into the client base within our marketing services business
We are confident that our new command center empowering clients with self-service and insights will serve as a future acquisition driver, attracting new customers and strengthening existing ones
So if you go back and you look at Q3 of last year, you saw a pretty strong acceleration in subscriber adds
So, it has good margins and has the potential to really carry the EBITDA load
A year-over-year improvement in SaaS adjusted gross margin was driven primarily by two factors, a favorable mix shift in revenue towards our higher margin subscription base centers and cost efficiencies delivered in the quarter related to fulfillment
This laser focus drives sustainable growth by maximizing ROI and fostering enduring relationships with our ideal customers
I wanted to comment that helps us drive visits within the community is doing better than the guy next door
We are rapidly building the SaaS business and now we've got more business lead generating tools for getting a lot better traction into that legacy base and really excited to see how this thing is happening and marketing center has been a real key in what's driving that
So, once somebody is with us and settled down and get going, we see a strong ARPU growth, which of course, is what's driving the net dollar retention improvement
This win-win approach ensures long-term success for both clients and our SaaS business
This underscores the positive interconnection between SaaS and marketing services usage among our clients
While it represents a higher value proposition for legacy clients leading to increased adoption and retention, it also delivers improved gross margins compared to traditional marketing services products
So we think that we're very well-positioned to literally get them all, to get off on a legacy customer over on the staff tools and to get their friend and their neighbors
Clients gain access to expanded solutions fueling their success while also generating predictable recurring revenue streams for us
Full year SaaS adjusted gross margin expanded to 66.6%, an increase of 300 basis points from the prior year
However, with the introduction of additional centers and products such as marketing center, command center and product add, we are now witnessing the positive outcomes of diversifying our offerings expected in the expansion of our NDR
This solid foundation unlocks future growth through tailored upselling and cross-selling, ensuring mutual success by aligning with evolving needs and maximizing overall value
       

Bearish Statements during earnings call

Statement
Fourth quarter marketing services billings was $149.2 million, representing a decline of 23% year-over-year
And we recorded a non-cash impairment charge to goodwill in the amount of $268.8 million or $7.71 per diluted share once again attributable to the structural decline in our marketing services business
Our Marketing Services revenue is declining every year in the range of 20%
The last several years EBITDA has been a bit of a drag out of international and as Australia is now reaching profitability, as we look forward, international will not will stop being a drag and begin to contribute
This is a business that has had big EBITDA, but it's been declining EBITDA for a very long time
As previously mentioned in the prior quarter, our adoption of a new multicenter PLG strategy has led to new system SaaS subscribers signing up for lower introductory packages compared to our current average RPU, thus contributing to the year-over-year decline
So we've had to be kind of cautious there
And so we would expect marketing services billings decline to increase given the natural upgrade to the SaaS platform
They're going to say, look, I've been struggling with the two, I just talk about drive
But that's just introducing a little bit of noise into our ARPU number
Net loss was $257.5 million or a loss of $7.39 per diluted share for the fourth quarter of 2023 and compares to a net loss of $50.4 million or a loss of $1.47 per diluted share for the fourth quarter of 2022
SaaS RPU edged higher sequentially to $370, a decrease of 4% year over year
Then it really hit stride when we let it out for full relief in the summer
If you came to invest in the phone book business, it's not a bad news for us
We think ARPU gradually rises toward that 7,000 year number, over the next three, four, five years but it might be a little noisy for a minute as some of these you have processes play out
   

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