Earnings Sentiment

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Bullish Statements during Earnings call

Statement
We have a strong pipeline of design wins and are positioned to gain meaningful share this year
We benefited in the quarter from stronger demand from both our SSD and eMMC+UFS controllers and saw pricing and mix improved to drive stronger gross margin improvement for our business than originally expected
In addition, we have high visibility that two additional flash makers will be ramping new projects with us this year in eMMC and UFS and in SSD controllers, and we will be able to grow revenue from each of these flash makers very meaningfully
Our progress with our flash maker partner over the past year has resulted in strong backlog of new wins across all our product groups that will drive meaningfully higher share and faster growth this year and lay the foundation for strong long-term growth
More importantly, our technology leadership in controller and our unwavering engagement with our customers, both flash makers and module makers has laid the foundation for strong 2024 growth despite only modest growth expecting in the PC and smartphone device markets, driven largely by our ongoing share gains with our customers
And your 2024 guide is very encouraging
But we see we have a stronger growth in 2025 from an automotive customer for our Ferri product
And so as we ramp up with these new flash makers and module makers, we're confident that we can continue to grow this business long term
We are seeing the successes of this already as our CAS Group have been increasing share as our customers by winning significant new designs with both flash makers and module makers for the PC, smartphone, automotive, industrial, and other markets
Our ASDI Group has also made incredible progress with some untitled product in a short amount of time securing more than a dozen sampling customer ready
With these changes, we are better positioned than ever before and look forward to demonstrating the ongoing strength of our business to our investor each quarter
We expect to see consistent improvement in our gross margins this year driven by better mix towards newer generation interfaces in our eMMC and UFS and SSD controller sales, a number of new projects ramping, and overall pricing starting to normalize and improve
Demand is also expected to pick up this year as both the smartphone and PC markets will grow modestly after two years of meaningful decline in unit shipments
We expect normal seasonality to impact our business in the first quarter but are confident that we are well positioned to grow sequentially throughout the rest of the year based upon our strong backlog of wins and project ramps
We believe our business with module maker will grow this year despite the headwinds created by higher NAND flash prices
And we have a very strong UFS 3.1, 2.2 today, not only for existing NAND partner but also winning one to two additional NAND maker business and going to ramp in 2024 and 2025
We are pleased by the steady recovery across our business throughout 2023, with fourth quarter revenue and gross margin exceeding expectations
We are confident that we will continue to make it grow during the Gen 5 transition into the AI era, and expect to secure a first design win in the next few months and generate clearly revenue by the end of this year
Very encouraging to hear that you'll grow with every NAND manufacturer in 2024
Our revenue from flash maker expected to grow approximately 50% this year, a design win across our controller program meaningfully throughout 2024
As Wallace mentioned, we are making strong progress with our flash maker customers
So I think we're on a good track here and the guidance that we provided, we believe that it's attainable
As each day passes, we're also seeing these new engagements bring with them healthier pricing levels at healthier margins, and we're certainly working on our own back end and production to also improve costs as well
I think we're feeling pretty good about that just given the mix of new products, new projects, new technologies that are coming to market that we already have strong design win and pipeline for
Our QLC controller with our proprietary 3D array and more advanced LDPC for better aero correction and data protection and recovering offer, no compromise solution that maintains high performance and reliability while utilizing the most cost-effective flash to further improve affordability
We are seeing strong traction of QLC controller with both our flash makers and module maker customer and more widespread adoption by PC OEM as well
I think that we are seeing very good traction today as we continue to sample and go through the qualification process with these Tier 1 customers and by a dozen customers from U.S
The reason we get traction not only the standard B&G, we're gaining momentum because the high-performance and all the number index that exceed expectation, but also we get a traction due to the QLC SSD coming into the data center
UFS 3.1 and 2.2 remains a primary solution for mainstream smartphones this year, and we are seeing continuing strong demand for our current UFS controller with additional flash makers and module makers
Gross margins in the fourth quarter increased to 44.1%, reflecting both better mix and higher ASPs
       

Bearish Statements during earnings call

Statement
Kou I think the -- as you can see through the 2023 it was a difficult year for all the NAND makers because the weak demand and the oversupply, the NAND price declined sharply and nobody really make any planning
For the first quarter, we expect revenue to be down 10% to 15% sequentially to approximately $172 million to $182 million
Could you give us some color on how you expect client SSD to grow and mobile to grow? And within mobile, recently, we are hearing some concerns about the end of restocking for some of the Chinese customers
Everybody is margin negative
I think for Q4 revenue decline due to some of multi-customer see the inventory pile-up and we do see 2024, we have accumulated more design
But I think one of the concerns we've heard from investors is that as UFS 4.0 becomes mainstream, that one of your customers that's in-sourced, UFS 4.0 that may be a headwind more in 2025 than 2024
We expect SSD controller sales will decline slightly in the first quarter and eMMC and UFS controller sales will decrease
NAND makers are being disciplined in their production and limiting output, resulting in higher NAND flash prices
Potential risks and uncertainties include but are not limited to continued competitive pressure in the semiconductor industry and the effect of such pressures on prices, unpredictable changes in technology and consumer demand for multimedia consumer electronics, the state of and any change in our relations with our major customers, and changes in political, economic, legal, and social conditions in Taiwan
And then in Q2 and Q4, that should revert back down to a more normalized level because of those -- because those peers don't have the tape-out
Effective tax rate in the fourth quarter was 2.3%, a decrease from the 22.8% tax rate in the third quarter primarily due to a tax reversal in the quarter
The company is seeking payment of the termination fee of $160 million, substantial damages, interest, and costs
This will lead to elevated operating expenses in those quarters
   

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