Earnings Sentiment

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Bullish Statements during Earnings call

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The drivers were occupancy increases and 5.7% higher REVPOR coupled with 9.1% lower ex-POR leading to cash NOI margin expansion of 12.7% in the fourth quarter on a year-over-year basis
So I think the industry will take a very strong stand and do whatever if things is necessary to ensure its defeat
So we see a really terrific opportunity ahead of us in terms of margins improving where they were on a pre-pandemic
We also continue to see improvement in the Senior Housing lease portfolio
and overall just stronger ability to hire, retain and compensate permanent employees
So our revenue per patient day has really grown very, very nicely over the past couple of years
The performance of Sabra's same-store assisted living portfolio is attributable to strong gains made by nearly every one of the operators managing these communities, while the foundation was set by our Inspirit portfolio, which was transitioned from Enlivant in mid-2023, nearly every operator was able to drive REVPOR while managing ex-POR
We continue to see operational, financial and cultural improvement in these communities since the transition
Sabra's entire wholly owned managed Senior Housing portfolio maintained positive momentum in the fourth quarter with mid- to high-teen percentage growth in revenue and cash net operating income on a year-over-year basis
Quarterly occupancy in independent living, assisted living and memory care in our managed portfolio is the highest it has been since the second quarter of 2020
We're pleased to report continuing stability and organic growth in our portfolio
Our now leased stabilized Senior Housing portfolio continues to perform well with occupancy well above pre-pandemic levels and steadily improving rent coverage
So that's amazing
We appreciated that CMS and numerous states have been capturing cost increases and reimbursement rates, and we're optimistic that we'll continue at the state level this summer and for fiscal year 2025 for CMS
The same-store pool of properties in our unconsolidated joint venture with Sienna, excluding non-stabilized assets and government stimulus had 2.5% higher occupancy in the fourth quarter on a year-over-year basis with a 159% increase in cash NOI in the same periods
a healthy amount of that upside for the Senior Housing managed business, specifically is captured in our 2024 guidance and particularly in the year-end run rate
Very healthy portfolio
Our spot levels mostly captured in that trailing 12-month figure? And if not, should we expect any more meaningful improvement in coverages in that business? Talya Nevo-Hacohen I think I think we're optimistic that coverage will continue to improve as operating leverage continues to drop more NOI to the bottom line
We're actively looking for skilled deals and because we're dropping so low on our skilled exposure, we're really able to do more skilled deals and still have a much more diversified REIT than we've ever had before
These amounts were partially offset by a $300,000 increase in normalized AFFO from our managed Senior Housing portfolio as a result of improved rates and occupancy
The headline numbers for this portfolio, excluding non-stabilized assets and government stimulus are as follows: Occupancy for the fourth quarter of 2023 was 81.2%, a year-over-year increase of 130 basis points, the highest occupancy for this portfolio over the past five quarters
And then as I said, there will be some really bad headlines and then maybe there will be some changes, which will probably take years, right? So I think you've got a really nice run ahead of you on the skilled side for occupancy
Cash NOI for the quarter grew 12.2% over fourth quarter 2022
Excellent
What I think we're what we really are starting to see, however is consistent growth on the top line through both occupancy and REVPOR growth
So there's really good geographic coverage there
It's been a pretty common theme among Health Care REIT earnings that the propensity to invest in 2024 is a dramatic improvement from, say, years prior
And it's interesting, right, because over the past couple of years, there's been so much focus on Senior Housing and how it's great, because you're pushing through these 10% rate increases and it's private pay, and it's got an advantage over the skilled nursing space
Our EBITDARM rent coverage is up 0.10 sequentially with similar improvement in our top 10 in the aggregate
So I think the combination of slower labor growth and stronger revenue per patient day growth, particularly on the Medicaid side is what contributed to it
       

Bearish Statements during earnings call

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I think one of Rick's points at the top of the call was about the lack of new supply
And labor really has moderated quite a bit again, and we always keep saying this, it's still really tough out there
And as you know, we're already seeing it in terms of the access problems in certain markets
I want to point out that the trailing 12-months statistics in the supplemental, one quarter in arrears for our behavioral health portfolio shows a slight downward trend over the prior quarter for both occupancy and rent coverage
So for skilled, it's the demographic coupled with the declining product
So yes, so it's just -- it's hard to see anything proactive happening at the level of the government until things get really, really bad and you have a bunch of bad headlines because people can't get access to care
I mean, in terms of the transitions that we talked about last quarter, I think if you look at the trend from our -- when we first put out this bridge in this -- for the second quarter, and then we put out in the third quarter, you saw that, that number came down because we started capturing a little bit of that
Obviously, there's going to be a huge crisis in the country
I don't want to make light of it, but it has moderated, I think, a little bit more than we would have expected
Throughout the pandemic, Sabra and many of our peers did not issue full-year guidance because the uncertain operating landscape in the industry made it difficult to project expected financial performance with a high level of conviction as the industry enters 2024 with a much improved operational environment and as Sabra specifically enters 2024 with the majority of our portfolio transitions and repositioning behind us, we have a much clearer line of sight into the expected performance of our portfolio for the coming year
During the quarter, we saw an $800,000 decrease in cash rents compared to the third quarter, primarily due to the sale of a portfolio of 13 skilled nursing and two Senior Housing assets during the third quarter
I think over the holidays, it might -- there was a little bit of a spike, but that's not that's not atypical for the holidays, but it came right back down
Our expected earnings growth throughout our guidance range would also reduce our leverage from current levels and closer to our long-term average target
We certainly have markets where it's still bad
I think the fairness of it and the lack of availability of nurses with certainly no movement on the hill relative to even having some controlled immigration for skilled workers, that would be really helpful to us
So -- you've got that issue, and you've got the COA issue as well
I know you mentioned it's down pretty meaningfully in aggregate
But if you haven't had to sell, you might as well have hung in there and wait for top line and margins to improve more
And in that context, it seems like Sabra's messaging here is maybe a little bit more conservative than others
If we knew with certainty we'd just put out one number, right? So there is some uncertainty baked in there of where we're going to end up over the course of the remainder of this year
   

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