Earnings Sentiment

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Bullish Statements during Earnings call

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This is a significant reason why we believe we are well-positioned in this environment
And for us, we've had a really good track record very stable steady and now potentially growing
We're one of the leading lenders in that space given what's going on geopolitically, we feel like there's really nice tailwinds to that space
So that's that has been -- there has been the surprise for us, it's been by and large good because the yields we're getting are excellent
And we think we're pretty good
We think some of our peers are pretty good and by and large EBITDAs are growing 5% to 10% and we're really thrilled with that
The company has come back very, very strongly and you could track the value of the equity there's an equity piece that's been marked up
So our JV -- just to be clear, our JV has been really successful
We expect that with continued growth in the JV portfolio, the JV investment will continue to enhance PNNT's earnings momentum in future quarters
In an uncertain market environment, we are well-positioned as a lender focused on capital preservation in the United States
The company is coming back strong
We have a long-term track record of generating value by successfully financing growing middle market companies in five key sectors
These are sectors where we have substantial domain expertise, know the right questions to ask and have an excellent track record
Our returns on these equity co-investments have been excellent over time
So 3% feels really good now and we're very proud of that
We believe that the meaningful covenant protections of core middle market loans, more careful diligence and tighter monitoring have been an important part of this differentiated performance
We continue to believe that our focus on the core middle market provides the company with attractive investment opportunities where we provide important strategic capital for our borrowers
Obviously, it's been really good to do first lien in this higher yield environment with the vintage and the good credit stats as well as classically will do equity co-invest to participate in some of the upside.
It could be a really good sector
Again, this is where our equity co-invest can be helpful where we're helping them grow the platform, and we can participate in the upside
The company has seen a resurgence
With regard to the outlook new loans in our target markets are attractive, our experienced and talented team and our wide origination funnel is producing active deal flow, our continued focus remains on capital preservation and being patient investors
This strong track record includes investments of primarily subordinated debt made prior to the global financial crisis, legacy energy investments and recently the pandemic
However, we continue to believe that the current vintage of core middle market directly originated loans is excellent
Obviously interest coverage et cetera that looks good
So – and it's not traded as well quite frankly is PFLT, PFLT has had, what we think is a fairly pristine track record
We've thankfully avoided some mistakes, and our way of looking at it and avoiding reimbursement risk, keeping leverage low, trying to get behind companies that are helping bring high-quality care to low cost has generally performed well from a credit standpoint
Credit quality of the portfolio is stable
We want to reiterate our goal to generate attractive risk-adjusted returns through income, coupled with long-term preservation of capital
During the quarter we continued to originate attractive investment opportunities and invested $231 million and 12 new and 32 existing portfolio companies at a weighted average yield of 11.9%
       

Bearish Statements during earnings call

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The three loans that have been marked down are Flock Financial, Walker Edison, which was a restructuring, which remains challenged and a company called Atlas Purchaser
We've been a little bit more cautious there given some of the volatility around -- potential volatility around the consumer
Since inception nearly 17 years ago, PNNT has invested $7.8 billion at an average yield of 11.3% and has experienced a loss ratio on invested capital of approximately 18 basis points annually
They've made some mistakes
And they've had some recent stumbles
GAAP and adjusted NAV decreased 0.6% to $7.65 per share from $7.70 per share
Now some of our peers have stumbled a little bit in health care
As of December 31, our GAAP and adjusted NAV was $7.65 per share which is down 0.6% from $7.70 per share in the prior quarter
The weighted average yield dropped, if I'm correct about 40 bps quarter-over-quarter, which is actually a fair amount in this environment
For the quarter ended December 31, net realized and unrealized change on investments and debt, including provision for taxes, was a loss of $5 million or $0.08 per share
Art Penn Outlook – from an outlook standpoint, Paul look as we said if this higher for a longer trend continues inevitably, some companies are going to need some relief
So those were the big the three biggest declines in loans that got marked down during the quarter
So the new deals there are coming in, call it 25 bps tighter from a spread compression standpoint, since we have been very active, the weighted average certainly has come down
So, nothing really dramatic
I did notice Flock Financial, I did notice that was a bigger loan in your portfolio that was marked down this quarter
But by definition, if these base rates persist for a while in any portfolio of this magnitude and the magnitude of our peers, there's going to be companies peeling off and needing amendments and extensions and needing some relief, because you can't have 100, 150 companies, all going up to the right, altogether no matter how good you are
According to S&P loans to the companies with less than $50 million of EBITDA and a lower default rate and higher recovery rate than loans to companies with higher EBITDA
   

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