Earnings Sentiment

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Bullish Statements during Earnings call

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Fourth quarter was also up year-over-year, by $7 million, due to both higher revenue and lower costs
The execution of our strategy has helped us to continuously improve adjusted pretax income over the past six quarters and delivered financial performance in line with our adjusted return on equity guidance
Guided by our strategy, we've transformed the company into a well-balanced mortgage originator and servicer that creates positive outcomes for clients, homeowners, investors and communities
You can see this in the upper-left graph that shows adjusted pretax income improvement
Servicing continued to improve its contribution to net income for both year-over-year and trailing quarters
This improvement results in lower borrowing costs on servicing advances, which helps our net income and allows us to divert liquidity to other areas
We believe our originations platform is positioned to grow volume and earnings should the forecast for lower interest rates in the second half of 2024 materialize
Whether it is our owned book that we are servicing or a client's book, our goal is to improve returns via better performance of the assets
Our technology-enabled global operating platform is scalable, with a highly competitive cost structure, and we believe we will deliver further profitability improvement as we increase our total servicing UPB
Our portfolio of tax net operating loss carryforwards continued to have a positive effect, as the NOL saved us over $3 million in cash by mitigating our 2023 tax expense
So everything we do to leverage our special servicing skills to drop that balance, and we're proud of the progress we've made, we've got to continue that momentum and build that flywheel effect and continue, to drive that balance down
We've meaningfully improved business performance, capabilities and the potential for growth and value creation
We believe the continued execution of our strategy of balance and diversification, capital-light growth, low costs, top-tier operating performance and dynamic asset management will deliver long-term value for shareholders
Despite the challenging environment for originations, we continued to improve adjusted pretax income in the fourth quarter and throughout 2023
We reported fourth quarter adjusted pretax income of $11 million, an improvement on both a sequential quarter and year-over-year basis
Our full year adjusted pretax income of $49 million illustrates the strength of our year, bringing our adjusted ROE back to low double digits, at 10.1%
Our originations platform ranks as a top 10 correspondent lender and top five reverse lender by volume and endorsements, respectively, and we've substantially improved our portfolio recapture capabilities over the past four years
Also in 2023, we made great progress on enterprise-wide continuous cost improvement
For the quarter, the headline is both our servicing and origination businesses continued their profitable trend and collectively demonstrated yet another quarter of improving positive adjusted pretax income
So, I think as we look forward into 2024, we're excited that, we've got a robust pipeline of committed boardings with us
Overall, I'm proud of our positive progress and results for both the quarter and the year and excited about our financial outlook for 2024
I believe this, along with the other metrics I discussed, demonstrate that we are one of the strongest operators in the industry
We believe our balanced business model positions us well if interest rates remain steady or decline as projected
Through our investment in technology, global operating capability and process improvement, we've built a scalable servicing platform with the best practice cost structure and capacity for growth that delivers improved borrower, and client satisfaction
With roughly 35% of our servicing cost structure fixed or semi-variable, we believe we can further improve our efficiency as we grow total servicing UPB
Sean, anything you want to add? Sean O'Neil Yes just Matt, I'd just restate that, broadly speaking, as you noted, owned MSRs generate better cash flow and better earnings
We continue to believe our positive growth trends in adjusted pretax income, the growth in our servicing book, our ability to run originations at a profit during a difficult market period as well as our ability and willingness to reduce our senior secured debt all support a stronger share price than we currently have
In addition, if we continue to demonstrate the ability to pay down the existing debt that improves our leverage ratios, which should also improve the coupon at which we can refinance these
I'm excited about how we're entering 2024 and believe we are well positioned, to navigate the market environment ahead and deliver long-term value for our shareholders
Third, by improving the profitability of our legacy owned MSRs
       

Bearish Statements during earnings call

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So look, one of the - our firm view has been the reverse mortgage product has really suffered from a lack of distribution
It has been a small niche-based industry on players who focus principally on reverse products, and we think that's limited the growth potential of the product in our view
Our origination volume was down roughly 27%, versus down 32% for total industry originations volumes
Last year, we did see a number of clients, because of the difficult originations market, really tap the brakes on converting - switching subservicing providers largely, because they had bigger buyers to deal with it on the originations side of their business
The decline in GAAP net income, negative $47 million versus prior quarter's positive $8 million, was driven by interest rate impacts on our MSR, net of hedge, due to about an 80-basis point decline in rates
As we look ahead, third-party estimates project industry volume remaining low in the first quarter of 2024 before moving into the spring and summer homebuying season
Total servicing additions were down 31% in 2023, in line with the 32% reduction in overall industry origination volume
Thus, Q1 and Q4 resulted in declines in the MSR value, that's the gray bar, offsetting improvements in the hedge, which is the light blue, and a resulting net loss or gain
We reported a $47 million loss in the fourth quarter and a $64 million net loss for the full year
For the full year 2023, please go to the far right to the blue column, where we recognized GAAP net income loss of $64 million, primarily driven by MSR fair value changes and hedging performance
Roughly 11% of this $18 billion portfolio is over 60 days delinquent, and it carries $458 million in advances, which is dilutive to earnings and returns
But what's the case for against selling today more owned MSRs, to one of your managed funds and deleveraging that way? Would that improve your credit profile? I mean obviously, you would lose some of the earnings from the owned MSR
We lowered advances on our legacy asset book year-over-year by 14% as we reduced the UPB of these assets by 10%
The full year unfavorable MSR fair value change reflects the impact of high hedge costs due to the inverted yield curve and rate volatility and a 5-basis points reduction in our own portfolio value versus prior year-end to align with both market value levels
We think we'll be inside or lower than their projected target for the end of the year 2024
The main driver was again our correspondent and co-issue channels, which overcame small losses in the reverse and consumer direct channels
The net loss for both the quarter and full year was largely driven by MSR fair value changes, net of hedging
Hi, you guys talked about the MSR advances dragging on earnings
If they increase, it could slow it down on the originations side, with inverse effects on servicing
Moreover, our servicing costs in basis points of UPB are inflated compared to large servicer peers due to our relative high concentration of PLS servicing
   

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