Earnings Sentiment

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Bullish Statements during Earnings call

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While we aren't ready yet to call a trend, we do believe the second half of the year will be stronger than the first half
We expect after Q1 to see sequential improvements across our business lines
And I think we've demonstrated through thick and thin good times and bad COVID, non-COVID that this is a high-quality business with regards to next year and the next few years, we think that this business is going to continue to do very well because it's being driven now by consumer preference
Performance Materials posted their highest sales and EBITDA ever
In addition to improved volumes as global auto production increased
The cost structure at APT has improved to a point, where they can maintain industry-leading margins
Road Technologies continues to benefit from increased spending on roads in the US and around the world and is gaining share versus other more traditional technologies
And more volumes were hit pretty significantly in the last part of last year but we held prices right and ultimately we held those prices and we repositioned the cost structure of the business its EBITDA actually grew quite dramatically as a result of that and got back to the margin levels that we expect them to be at going forward
The PM business is benefiting from both consumer preference for hybrids overall electric vehicles in the current market, and challenges to EV infrastructure both in terms of production, but also in recharging
Both the Performance Materials segment and the Road Technologies business should continue to experience strong momentum and growth
To the extent the macro economy improves we're going to benefit from that
To the extent we're able to accelerate those processes then we're going to benefit from that
The midpoint of $1.475 billion and $377 million for revenue and EBITDA, reflect a balanced approach to next year, Ingevity as a result of a lot of effort across the company is positioned for success
Payment Technologies also had a terrific year with record sales, since we've now fully integrated the road markings business we acquired in 2022, we have renamed the pavement business line to Road Technologies
This segment's performance was very end-market specific for example, we were able to increase price during the year on many of our TOFA based products, which go into our higher margin, higher growth end markets like growth technologies
Road Technologies benefited from increased pricing and sales not only in the US, but in other regions around the globe
We're seeing the use of bioplastics grow in key end markets where we already participate, such as consumer packaging, ag chem and apparel growth rates are strong albeit off of a low base, but the base continues to broaden the growth in these end markets combined with the improved margin profile already in place should deliver good year-over-year growth in 2024
You hear us mention bioplastics a lot, because we're very excited about our growth prospects in this area
And that coupled with lower input costs, resulted in full year EBITDA of $44.5 million up to 11% and an EBITDA margin of 21.8% up 550 basis points from last year
And finally, as auto production continues to grow, our product mix moves increasingly from the lower margin filtration markets to higher margin auto, which helps support the expectation that mid to upper 40s EBITDA margins will continue
We believe the trends we saw in 2023 driving these strong results for Performance Materials will continue to be a tailwind for this segment
EBITDA margin for the year was 48.9% matching the segment's highest full year EBITDA margin ever
We're really pleased, particularly with the substitution effects that we've been able to take and pavement our legacy sort of payment businesses
Going forward as we complete the repositioning of Performance Chemicals, the portfolio mix becomes more balanced with Performance Chemicals and Performance Materials revenues similar in size and the portfolio margin profile will be improved
Full year EBITDA was up 14% to $286.6 million on the favorable product mix shift to our more profitable automotive end markets, year-over-year price increases and lower SG&A
As John mentioned in his opening remarks, 2023 was a record year for this segment for both revenue and EBITDA
Our personal view is that the sale of hybrids and ICE engines is going to come in better than the broader forecast sit today
Our largest and most profitable businesses are set up for a good year
Importantly the team revamped their cost structure in a way that we believe will allow them to sustainably maintain EBITDA margins in the mid 20% over time
Full year revenue was up 3% to nine $902.1 million as technology adoption drove higher sales in our legacy pavement business, plus we had the addition of the road markings business
       

Bearish Statements during earnings call

Statement
But I do think that in this current environment, we will struggle to meet our previously stated objective of profitability this year
The global economic outlook remains weaker than we would like and this will be an election year
Revenue for the year and Advanced Polymer Technologies was down 17% due to lower volumes attributed to global market weakness in many of the segment's end markets
This combined with lower volumes and the negative impact on plant utilization rates resulted in a 500 basis points drop in adjusted gross margin to 33.1%
This was largely offset by sharp volume declines in APT and the Industrial Specialties business line due to the global industrial slowdown which continued throughout the year
The drop is primarily due to the gross margin compression as we were unable to pass through approximately $100 million of increased CTO costs
But there are some challenges in that business
Adjusted EBITDA for the year was down 12% to $396.8 million with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 23.5% down about 360 basis points from full year 2022 as the gross margin compression of 500 basis points was partially offset with the cost savings
It is possible but in this environment, I think it's going to be a challenge, which is why we tried to lay that out very discreetly in the -- in our prepared comments
Segment EBITDA for the year was down 59% to $65.7 million compared to $160.4 million last year
As you all know the broader industrial markets experienced a major downturn last year and we were not immune
Adjusted gross profit of approximately $560 million was lower by 12% primarily due to the higher CTO costs we discussed throughout the year
Diluted adjusted EPS for the year of $3.94 is lower than the prior year due primarily to the gross profit decline and higher interest expense due primarily to a full year of acquisition related borrowing costs associated with the Ozark acquisition in Q4 of 2022
The increase in road technologies offset a 16% decline in industrial specialties, which was challenged by an extended flow slowdown in cyclical industrial markets like adhesives and inks
First quarter like our fourth, suffers from the seasonality of the paving business, which operates primarily in the second and third quarters
And then just quick follow-up on advanced polymer technologies, volumes have been pretty weak for quite some time
We mentioned taking a significant portion of CTO refining capacity offline, which we believe will result in lower prices over time and that the price we pay for CTO will fall in the back half of this year due to the lag in our contract pricing
So they are challenged as well
Our leverage did tick up year over year despite some debt reduction, as EBITDA was pressured by the CTO costs and lackluster industrial demand environment
Auto production is typically a slow and steady growth engine
   

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