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| Once the European economy begins to show signs of recovery, we expect pallet prices to return to normal levels, allowing this asset to deliver significant shareholder value |
| On mass timber, as I've said, and Richard as well, we're very excited about how this business is progressing |
| Our Q4 results were positively impacted by improved pulp pricing, lower fiber costs, and a modest contribution from our mass timber business |
| We had higher prices in all our markets as customers were restocking, and in Europe, we are benefiting from a modest increase in paper demand |
| In addition, all our mills run very well this quarter |
| If paper -- if the European economy comes back and paper comes back, that would be a very significant factor in what we would believe to be then a much stronger price recovery |
| So this is a very significant growth engine for us |
| We continue to see strong customer interest in our mass timber products, which has allowed us to build a significant order file |
| But yes, there's a positive trend for us with lower prices coming overall |
| That gives us a very strong confidence to believe that if we close this year with about $60 plus million in sales, next year it would be at least twice that amount |
| Moving on to our solid wood segment, our fourth quarter reflected improved lumber and mass timber results |
| We remain bullish on the long-term value of pulp and are committed to better balance our company through faster growth in our lumber and mass timber businesses |
| And that's why we think there's a very significant upside |
| Our solid wood segment continues to ramp up its mass timber operations, resulting in a modest positive EBITDA contribution in Q4 |
| Our mills ran very well in the quarter |
| Although we continue to predict a slow recovery in 2024, we do expect a much stronger financial result |
| So we see ourselves looking into what other potential projects we can bring forward that can have a good and quick return for a company |
| We are excited about the future prospects of this product as a sustainable alternative to fossil fuel-based products such as in adhesives and advanced battery elements, to name only a few |
| In addition, our mass timber business contributed a modest positive EBITDA in Q4 as planned |
| In Q4, our pulp and solid wood segments had lower fiber costs than Q3 as supply remained stable and the solid wood segment benefited from the availability of lower-cost beetle-damaged wood in Germany |
| As we see the year progresses and we see what we believe to be an improvement overall in how the market prices behave, obviously this will be something that we will be keeping an eye on so that we can bring some of our -- more of these CapEx projects to fruition |
| So when we think about our customers that are running their paper machines, they're running at better than they were running before, but again, coming from very low level |
| Although high interest rates continue to weigh on housing starts and construction in general, we are expecting US lumber pricing to improve slightly as we move into the spring building season |
| We will bring more projects into 2024 that will allow us, as I said, to double our revenue this year versus 2023 and for sure keep on the pace that this industry is showing overall |
| We expect EBITDA for this business to grow in 2024 as we continue to ramp up |
| The integration of Torgau continues to progress well |
| Furthermore, the potential demand for sustainable fossil fuel substitutes is very significant and has the potential to be transformative to the wood products industry |
| We continue to believe that low lumber channel inventories, the large number of sawmill curtailments, relatively low housing stock, wood shortages created by recent Canadian forest fires, and homeowner demographics are still very strong fundamentals for the construction industry, and this will put positive pressure on the supply-demand balance of this business in the midterm |
| What is the size of the sales that you're going after right now that you haven't locked in yet that you're pursuing? What potential order book size would that be? Juan Carlos Bueno No, what we want to do is, for example, for this year, we're very confident that as quarters progress, our order book will continue to increase |
| Just switching gears to the mass timber markets, you indicated you expect things to trend favorably going forward over the next year |
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| Shipping pallets remain weak on the back of a weak European economy overall, heating pellet prices were down in Q4 due to warm winter weather |
| Revenues decreased to $15 million in Q4 from $19 million in Q3, due to the timing of projects |
| For the European market, we are expecting prices to remain flat as demand remains weak |
| In the 2023 fiscal year, we had EBITDA of $17 million compared to EBITDA of $537 million in 2022 due to significantly weaker pulp and lumber markets, lower spot energy prices, and higher fiber costs that impacted the entire industry |
| We're expecting the European lumber market to remain weak in the first half of 2024 |
| Similarly, in China, the government is pushing and pursuing measured economic stimulus steps, but weak economic conditions continue |
| Despite the price increases in the US, overall lumber demand remains subdued due to high-interest rates |
| Generally speaking, our market dynamics remain unchanged with lower producer inventories and weaker-than-normal demand |
| On the demand side, European paper producers have increased production on slightly higher paper demand, but continue to run at lower-than-normal rates as their economy remains weak |
| These challenging market conditions have led us to keep a tight handle on CapEx |
| Overall, pulp markets remain weak, but we are seeing some upward pricing pressure in Europe at the moment as a result of a slight uptick in demand, while in China, the lunar year holiday has, as expected, limited buying activity |
| The increased scheduled maintenance negatively impacted EBITDA by about $11 million in Q4 when compared to Q3, which was partially offset by the impact of not having any production curtailments in Q4 relative to Q3 |
| The one notable exception was the European lumber market that took a step back after some positive momentum in Q3 |
| However, results were lower compared to Q3 due to the impact of non-cash items in Q3 that didn't recur and incremental major maintenance compared to Q3 |
| Pricing in Q4 decreased to about $98 per megawatt hour from $113 in Q3 due to lower spot prices in both Germany and Canada |
| Our pulp segment contributed quarterly EBITDA of $32 million and our solid wood segment EBITDA was negative $6 million |
| Looking ahead to 2024, we believe that the roughly 1 million tons of softwood production that has been either permanently or indefinitely shuttered will put upward pressures on prices |
| When you think about customer inventory, we believe that the situation in China is a bit more uncertain |
| It creates the sentiment of more tightness in the market if there's delays on shipments |
| Overall, we experienced a decrease in pulpwood prices in Q4 |
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