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| Overall for Q1, we expect strong year-over-year adjusted EBITDA growth, driven by higher contribution and continued expense discipline |
| Our fourth quarter results exceeded the high end of our guidance ranges across the board, driven by stronger-than-expected growth in our P&C insurance vertical |
| And I think given what we see right now, we're feeling pretty good about what 2025 could look like |
| After a difficult up and down year, we ended 2023 on a solidly positive note |
| Accordingly, we expect first quarter P&C transaction value to nearly double quarter-over-quarter, far surpassing typical seasonality, and we expect continued growth over the course of 2024 as more of our auto insurance carrier partners achieve target profitability and retrained our focus on customer acquisition |
| But I would say that rule changes by CMS have generally made real and meaningful progress in cleaning up some of the bad practices in the industry, and they've ultimately improved the user experience for seniors |
| Looking forward, we're optimistic that 2024 is the beginning of great things to come |
| And those are things that we think are actually really long-term positives for the industry, and we think they're going to keep continuing to look for ways to build on that progress |
| What you've seen is really the second half of '23 being far better than the first half, and carriers such as Progressive, Allstate, really everyone who's coming out with their Q4 results showing stronger results in the second half of '23 and particularly strong results in Q4 of '23 |
| Adjusted EBITDA increased 40% or $3.6 million year-over-year, driven primarily by higher contribution and continued expense discipline |
| Transaction value in our P&C insurance vertical was up 21% quarter-over-quarter, ahead of expectations as a major carrier ramped spend on our platform |
| And quite frankly, we're -- we've been pretty good at adapting to these changes over time because they represent an opportunity |
| And we'll continue to do that going forward, and we're really excited about the future of the Medicare Advantage business |
| As Steve mentioned earlier, our fourth quarter results exceeded the high end of our guidance ranges |
| Our unwavering focus on our partnerships and maximizing operating efficiency during what proved to be an exceptionally difficult market downturn, have laid the foundation for what we believe will be a period of significant top and bottom line growth |
| And as I think about 2023 and those regulatory changes, we're feeling like it will be a lot better as an industry the second time around |
| Going into 2024, we're now confident that a sustainable industry recovery is finally underway |
| It's great to see the recovery taking shape |
| We are highly encouraged by the trends we have seen thus far |
| Q4 results in our health insurance vertical were in line with expectations, driven by continued strength in our under-65 business, which was offset by weakness in Medicare, as our partners face headwinds in adapting to recent regulatory changes as well as medical care cost inflationary pressures |
| And so the competitive landscape hasn't changed, but we do expect that coming out of this hard market cycle that we're going to gain market share as we did coming out of the last hard market cycle, simply because we're the largest marketplace, we're a marketplace dedicated to carrier spend |
| That's nice |
| We, therefore, expect limited overhead growth for the full year, driving significant operating leverage as revenue growth picks up |
| And so we do anticipate that we're going to gain market share vis à vis our competitors and what you've seen over the past 2.5 to three years |
| We expect the trends Steve highlighted earlier to continue, with transaction value growing in the mid- to high single digits year-over-year |
| Lastly, we expect adjusted EBITDA to be between $9.5 million and $11.5 million, a year-over-year increase of 45% at the midpoint |
| During December, we saw a major carrier make meaningful increases in their marketing investments, and this positive trend has accelerated into the new year |
| Congrats on your persistency in having a great quarter |
| So I think what's different this time around is it's pretty evident when you look at the underlying profitability of all the carriers in the industry |
| But just taking that, if I'm assuming a good health growth level, we could see more margin coming from the open transactions, which would be more profitable, again, but that would be my view, not yours |
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| We saw a lot, very turbulent period for earnings season for the carriers and saw some market share go to one carrier, in particular, CVS, versus slower growth than some of the others |
| And as far as translating into the special enrollment period that's underway now, I would say the business is down significantly from the AETP and I would say the trends are not all that different from kind of what we saw during AEP or quite frankly, what we're seeing even going in AEP |
| For the past several years, lingering pandemic-related inflationary pressures created the most difficult auto insurance market in decades |
| Despite these increases, we expect transaction value in our P&C vertical to be down modestly year-over-year, as a major carrier is ramping customer acquisition at a more measured pace this year relative to their dramatic increase in the first quarter of 2023 |
| So our Q1 overhead guidance has us down versus Q1 of 2023 |
| February, the take rates have come down a bit |
| On the Medicare Advantage business, would you expect -- this was a very tough year in terms of new regulations into play |
| And I think that's really a testament to how unpredictable the cycle has been and how much deeper this hard market cycle was than the last one where really, carrier advertising spend remained flat as opposed to this time around; whereby some estimates, overall, auto insurance, carrier advertising spend went down by 35%, 40% |
| As a result, we expect Q1 transaction value to be between $175 million and $190 million, a year-over-year decrease of 6% at the midpoint |
| We expect revenue to be between $105 million and $115 million, a year-over-year decrease of 1% at the midpoint |
| And there was a degree of inconsistency between them as to what was allowed and what wasn't |
| And then my second question, it was really a tough stretch year for any of the business models that are dependent on insurer customer acquisition spend over the past couple of years |
| In Health, Q1 is typically a seasonally weaker quarter with a smaller contribution from Medicare |
| And so I think kind of given those couple of trends actually, what we've seen is the margins stepped down in January, which was we have less Health in January than we did in Q4, and then spend kind of ramped up in January into February |
| Q2, the comp got a little harder because we had some of the risk benefit in there |
| And so I mean, in this hard market when really advertisers weren't spending, we didn't see really any notable movement in market share, namely any losses of supply partners or gains of major supply partners |
| And as we're forecasting March, we think they're going to come down a bit more, and that's going to be largely mix driven for us |
| And essentially, we saw some set of kind of publishers struggle to adapt to those new marketing rules to say, "Hey, you've always used marketing messaging A, and you got to pivot to B." And that's -- some people were able to adapt more quickly than others on that |
| And regarding kind of the overhead guidance we did give for the year of modest growth would kind of point you towards the comps on that, which was on May 1 of last year, we did a risk |
| And so that had kind of knock-on effects on the industry |
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