Earnings Sentiment

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Bullish Statements during Earnings call

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As a result of our highly talented teams and the great culture we've built, LP was recognized in 2023 by Newsweek nationally and in Nashville by our local paper, the Tennessean, as a great place to work
We are well positioned to gain share in R&R and with homebuilders
Our operations teams delivered significantly better efficiency and safety performance in 2023, ending the year with a world-class total incident rate of 0.5
The single injury is too many, but I am incredibly proud of our operations team for this performance
So we are carrying that fixed costs, and we're carrying it because we're very confident that the volume needed by those mills to run profitably is very much in our future
These factors, along with strong price realization and efficient operations, contributed to an EBITDA result meaningfully above our guided range
You couple that with continued growth at the national builder level, we could really play out for a good year for us in new construction
So I feel really good about how we carried that across year
So all that volume is incremental to us and as those builders continue to grow and gain market share, this provides us a real - a large opportunity to continue this growth story that we've been working on for the past 15 years in Siding
And I feel good about the first six weeks activity in our order file
And so we feel good about pace of our order file and we feel good about where inventories level, inventory levels are now in the channel and our own inventories at the mill level
We have improved visibility to offer a full-year outlook for both businesses if you'll forgive some very obvious caveats
Regardless of the near-term market, I am very confident LP's strategy positions us well with a strong portfolio of products and a long-run way for profitable growth
Taken as a whole, despite volatility, quarter-to-quarter, 2023 was slightly better than the historical cycle average for the OSB business, which shows the power of LP's OSB strategy, improved efficiency in operations, disciplined capacity management and the value generated by the consistent incremental uplift from the Structural Solutions portfolio
This improves our productivity, accelerates product innovation and enhances our margins
Lower raw material mill and SG&A costs added a $30 million tailwind, resulting in a very respectable $59 million of EBITDA in the quarter
I'm pleased to share that Siding is back on a growth footing, having returned to normal inventory and order flows after a destocking cycle in the first half of last year
And so we're confident that we're going to see a volume increase in '24, and hence that our EBITDA margin will benefit from that - the presence of that volume uplift
In the fourth quarter, Siding achieved its highest EBITDA margin of the year
I feel good about the progress we've made since we launched BuilderSeries
So, Ketan, we had a good recovery in shed demand second half of last year
2023 ended much better than it began for LP and the markets we serve
The EBITDA margin of 22% was the highest of the year, which reinforces our confidence in Siding's long-term 25% EBITDA margin target
Nonetheless, the full-year EBITDA of $269 million represents a robust EBITDA margin of 20%, particularly so in light of the carrying costs of new capacity
But I think 20%, given all of these investments we're making and our confidence in the volume uplift is a very safe number
The reception upon use has been very good
But I think over - for 2025, it could be a very powerful driver of demand
It - I'll tell you, we have a great value proposition with BuilderSeries standalone
As a result, we have a healthy runway of capacity ahead of us
It is a very workable product and certainly easier to install and the competitive product that we're going up against
       

Bearish Statements during earnings call

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The biggest difference in the year-over-year waterfall is therefore the 15% drop in volume, a corresponding $55 million drop in revenue and a $26 million drop in EBITDA
housing starts and the forecast for single-digit declines in Repair and Remodel
As you are referencing, I'm sure, we'd certainly experience kind of an overhang post-COVID of shed demand being very light first half of this year
Obviously there wasn't immediate need for demand creation and any demand that would have been created, we would have had trouble satisfying
OSB prices are currently in a historically normal range, albeit on the high side of that range, and LP's capital investment in 2024 will be nearly $100 million lower than last year because the Sagola, Holton and Bath projects are complete
Jumping 12 months back in time, the fourth quarter of 2022 was the last quarter in which Siding was on a managed order file, and as such, it represents rather a difficult comp
The Repair and Remodel sector remains softer than new construction, but lower rates and better affordability may encourage more sales of existing homes or offer homeowners the interest rate clarity needed to take on larger home improvement projects
However, it is perhaps useful to recap that the transition from a managed order file made for a difficult year with respect to volume, particularly in the first six months while inventories normalized
I mean, sequentially Siding EBITDA margins look kind of down in Q1 versus Q4
The risk of going further and giving you a way forward
So I would say, just giving the exposure that we have to conferences and one-on-one conversations, I think the - maybe in the middle of fall last year I felt like there was some - I felt more pessimistic about this year from a builder standpoint
Right now in our order file, it's probably the weakest sector that we have
With the inventory destocking behind us and Siding back on a growth footing, as well as more historically normal OSB prices
For OSB, full year revenue guidance is impossible without a price prediction, which we won't even pretend to offer
OSB's full-year results on Slide 9 are dominated by price normalization, but other than that, the year can be summarized as one of lower volume partially offset by higher OEE, lower raw material costs and lower overhead costs given the transfer of Sagola to the Siding business
Just the movement downward, I think, would provide some homebuyers the confidence to move into the market
But occasionally when I've said at least, we've literally blown the number out of the water
And to illustrate how this distinction can be useful, recall that in the third quarter of 2019, the OSB business achieved breakeven EBITDA
We will never stop working to ensure a safe work environment for everyone at LP
As we are already realizing the January price increase in Siding, the most significant sensitivity in that business is volume
   

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