Earnings Sentiment

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Bullish Statements during Earnings call

Statement
We believe the company's investment portfolio continues to be very well-positioned given our proactive management, the portfolio's weighted average remaining reinvestment period, its strong OC cushions and its high recurring cash flows
I'll start off by saying that the company had both a strong fourth quarter and a great 2023
We believe our portfolio remains well positioned for 2024 and also that our portfolio has room for continued upside
The right side of the company's balance sheet is also positioned very well
So one banker described to one of our partners, that there's very, very strong demand for triple As
And while the secondary market has certainly moved up, since the end of the third quarter, we had a good, very nice fourth quarter and there's still attractive opportunities there
With a large number of high quality issuers continuing to trade at discounted prices, CLO collateral managers remain very well positioned to improve underlying loan portfolios through relative value trading in the secondary market
We continue to receive robust cash flows on our portfolio in the fourth quarter that exceeded our common distributions and expenses
It was actually a second best performance on record, with a total return of 13.04% for the full year
It's a tremendous accomplishment
We further strengthened our liquidity position, generating NAV accretion of $0.03 per share through our ATM program
We are immensely proud of this milestone and the value that we have created for shareholders
During the first quarter, we were also pleased to be able to further strengthen our balance sheet, raising an additional $47 million of net proceeds through the issuance of a new Series F term preferred stock due in 2029
EIC has performed very well over the last few years and we believe remains well positioned to continue generating strong net investment income
We're -- people are -- oh my goodness, it's a great idea
So I think we're going to see an increase in third party new issue CLO activity this year, which suggests that the returns are pretty good
This gives us ample room to withstand any potential downgrades or losses
But even without that, even at $.14, we think the stock is still a very attractive high earning high cash flowing stock to own in a portfolio
And this gives us protection from any further increase in interest rates, and locks us into an attractive cost of capital for many years to come
This is the highest distribution in the company's history
We continue to focus most of our investment efforts in the secondary market during the fourth quarter, as the yields and convexity available in the secondary market offered, in our view, better risk adjusted returns than the primary market
While secondary CLO equity can vary, CLO equity arbitrage has improved enough that the company has invested in a number of attractive new issues CLOs during the first quarter
As a result, our portfolio continues to have numerous opportunities to build par and increase our weighted average spread, which in turn increases the excess spread we receive on our CLO equity portfolio
In 2023, the Credit Suisse Leveraged Loan Index generated its best performance in nearly 15 years
We have a strong pipeline of primary and secondary CLO equity investments that we're evaluating
But right now, what we're seeing is many CLOs are performing better than our credit assumptions
So what we're using are these recurring cash flows, which is -- which touch wood continue quite robustly
That growth is tremendous, should be over a $1 billion market cap in no time
For the fourth quarter EIC generated net investment income of $0.56 per share, excluding non--recurring expenses, once again exceeding its common distributions for the quarter
2024 has started off strong, with a very active January for CLO issuance as triple A's tightened significantly
       

Bearish Statements during earnings call

Statement
In addition, some semi-annual paying loans and bonds and our CLOs underlying portfolios will not make payments again until the second quarter of 2024, which also contributed to the decline in cash flow
While defaults may actually increase in 2024, we don't expect a spike and believe many forecasters will again miss the mark
We were a little below the target
During the fourth quarter, we saw only four leveraged loan defaults and that's down from six in the prior quarter
This is below our fourth quarter recurring cash flows, as there were higher loan prepayments in the fourth quarter of 2023, which caused a short term buildup of cash on some of our CLOs
It's a high class problem
That was bad news for us and loans were getting repriced faster than we could reset and refinance our CLOs play, that there's a very small amount of loan activity on repricing, more activity and optionality for us on the right side of our balance sheet
I mean, at some point it was going to come down, but it's sort of like a high -- it's just the gift that keeps on giving
So there's been years where we've had very low taxable income
Additionally, for the quarter ending December 31, 2023, the company recorded another comprehensive loss of $1.2 million
Maybe there's been a year where there's been an exactly an average number of losses
Although, as you heard, four companies that have 1,400 or something like that in the portfolio, defaulted, is not a not a default situation, down from six over the prior quarter or whatever it may be
The default rate remains well below the long term average
Increases in rates have the potential to increase defaults for companies to pay these higher rates
As of yearend, the trailing 12 month default rates stood at 1.53%, remaining well below the long term historic average of 2.7%
So there's a little bit of drag there
But again, that's not going to be the big driver for us
And this is a modest decrease from September 30, but up 2% for the full year
Whereas we conducted very few calls and resets last year, it wouldn't surprise me to see that activity pickup
So then your question, what's the difference? What's the difference? Why are you getting all this interest, but you're saying your GAAP income is lower? It's not exactly what we do
   

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