Earnings Sentiment

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Bullish Statements during Earnings call

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And so we believe, for example, in the New Mexico case that our facilities are advantaged
Our heavy crude value chain has provided a significant advantage for us
I'm very pleased to report the significant progress our team has executed against these goals during the year
First, in 2023, we delivered record best process safety performance across our refining portfolio and successfully completed heavy maintenance turnarounds at all of our refineries during the year on schedule and on budget, as we took another step towards improving reliability across our portfolio
Our Parco facility achieved record crude runs this past quarter and we're continuing to see improvements in their reliability and improvements at those facilities
In addition, we delivered growth in our Marketing segment volumes and site count and delivered strong Lubricants & Specialties segment earnings despite the weakening of base oil cracks in 2023
We also, I mentioned it in prior quarterly earnings about digital tools that we've instituted that give us better transparency to our costs and we're driving our product lines to a more profitable position as a result
With good momentum across our businesses, we believe we are well positioned to continue creating compelling value for our shareholders in 2024
We're very bullish on the business
Improved turnaround execution allowed us to do all the work on our equipment we intended and is essentially -- and is essential to our strategy of driving reliability improvements in 2024 and throughout the turnaround cycle
In Renewables, in the fourth quarter, we achieved our normalized run rate utilization for our renewables facilities and delivered record volumes at our pretreatment unit in Artesia
We also received our new CI pathways, which we believe will benefit our margin capture opportunity going forward
For 2024, we plan to continue to optimize the operation of our renewables assets through improved reliability and improved commercial efforts
But we do see this as a strong opportunity for us, not only in our current footprint, but also to continue to go grow the Sinclair brand from a branded perspective in the Southwest
We think the tariff structure is pretty high for that area and so we still think regardless, we're going to have a competitive advantage to source barrels into that region
In Lubricants & Specialties, despite lower base oil margins in 2023, we performed well above our midcycle guidance and reported annual EBITDA of $346 million
You have made good progress over it
This acquisition strengthens our business as we simplified our corporate structure and reduced costs as a combined company, further supporting the integration and optimization efforts across our assets
I would say, crude flexibility and optionality continues to be an advantage for us, not just at the Puget Sound refinery, but also at our El Dorado refinery with access to -- direct access to Cushing
We think this is mainly seasonality and we're seeing improvements both in inventories demand and in associated margin structure looking forward into Q1, and as Tim already articulated structurally, we see it balanced and above mid-cycle for 2024
In fact, we've just put in the books a third year of really strong earnings from that business
We do believe that over time, for example, the LCFS is going to recover and it's going to show some improved project margins again
We think ‘24 is going to be another good year for us and going to allow us to return excess cash to our shareholders on behalf of the last few years
And Neal, I'll just say, I mean, we feel very good about the operating performance of our renewable diesel business in the fourth quarter achieved 71% utilization
These achievements are a testament to the competitive advantages of our new business portfolio and also the hard work and dedication of our employees to execute our strategies and deliver on these results
We believe our markets are advantaged, but things that we're doing to drive capture include pushing the distillate production, taking a stronger approach on jet
And I'll remind you that our approach is not only in the acquisition cost of the light and heavy differential, but also what we do with some of the finishing products and our asphalt business is performing well
I think Val and her team have really, really done a great job in progressing that effort
And again, we think 2024 is shaping up to be another good year for us
We've seen maybe a little better than what we thought originally, and we're passing that on to our shareholders through the dividend increase
       

Bearish Statements during earnings call

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If I think about looking forward, you know we do see margin softness in '24
This decrease was primarily driven by lower Refinery gross margins in both the West and Mid-Con regions, which resulted in lower Refining segment earnings in the quarter
So, in general, as we talked about earlier, I think demand was softer, both gas and diesel for Q4 versus same quarter 2022, but also higher than pre-COVID levels in 2019
The feedstock price lag that Steve mentioned went against us and obviously impacted our overall profitability
We did have a negative earnings impact associated with working through some high-priced inventory, but freed up a considerable amount of cash on the balance sheet
But when we look at what's driving it, the back half of the quarter, really, we saw a slowdown in offtake and demand across the portfolio
Of course, some of our end use markets are still a bit sluggish
These results reflect special items that collectively decreased net income by $227 million
In our Renewables segment, we reported adjusted EBITDA of negative $3 million for the fourth quarter compared to negative $7 million for the fourth quarter of '22
Today we reported fourth quarter net loss attributable to HF Sinclair shareholders of $62 million or negative $0.34 per diluted share
Specifically on the Mid-Con is a little bit more impacted negatively for the same quarter versus -- both in gas and diesel versus the West
And to the extent that this dynamic prevails, we're not shy to exceed that
Our guidance that we gave was 585,000 to 615,000 and that includes the turnaround at Puget and then it reflects slightly lower or actually quite a bit lower Mid-Con cracks earlier in the quarter and that impacted our economic runs
I guess, the macro question would be just your perspective on the Mid-Con setup as we go from here into the summer, obviously very weak January, stronger February with some disruptions from your competitors
Tim Go We saw, Joe, that in the Mid-Con, I know a lot of people were watching that the very, very cold weather that came through basically in the early January time frame really, really took a bite out of demand even further than what seasonality would typically project
If you look at Q4, financial performance was challenged, but we did demonstrate good progress in facility utilization
In the Mid-Con, as you articulated, we did see demand patterns fall off a little earlier in the quarter
And that was really driven by many of the customers destocking in anticipation of falling prices and not replenishing their inventories
But I'm just wondering if you can walk us through any other issues, because it looks like tax was light, interest was light and you still had a big draw in cash
So all those things create a bit of a structural margin impact
   

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