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Bullish Statements during Earnings call

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So I think that's something that as we look out to the 2024 and 2025 will benefit us
So we feel pretty good about where we're positioned
The vertical platform we have built demonstrated its ability to perform solidly despite significant volatility in the global food, feed and fuel ingredient markets
The margins are much better than they are in standard, what I call road diesel or renewable diesel, and we're excited
So when that happens, and it does that we actually benefit from that because we actually receive this extra volume that comes to us that, let's say, not in the plan and it comes favorably priced, and we are there to receive it
We know that, that is first of all, fundamentally, the LCFS is something that is very supportive for the industry
We continue to see strong performance and continued growth in China and North America consumer markets, and remain very optimistic about our Health Nutrition business line
And this is going to provide opportunity for our core Ingredients business and ultimately benefit Diamond Green Diesel
Really, it's been as strong as far back as you can look, it's an exceptionally strong
We believe we have a competitive advantage because we keep our plants well maintained, and we're benefiting from that today because we've just gone through a high inflation cycle
Our European Renewable Energy segment continues to deliver very strong results
However, DGD had an impressive year with 1.25 billion gallons of renewable diesel sold at an EBITDA per gallon of $0.81, which is still above our 12-year-old investment case of $0.79 of EBITDA per gallon
This decline in DGD's earnings was somewhat offset by Darling's Global Ingredients fourth quarter 2023 gross margin, increasing $47.6 million as compared to the fourth quarter of 2022 due to continued improvement from integration work within our acquired companies, which was supplemented in the fourth quarter by a reimbursement for certain costs related to Valley proteins
And so that, for us, is a real competitive advantage
2023 is in the record books, and we believe we are well positioned to once again deliver strong earnings and cash flow in 2024
So we're not at any issue where we need to be doing something rapidly, and we have very, very favorably priced debt
And what I shared with the Board and what I share with other people is, remember, we have some really favorably priced bonds or nodes out there
Now what I will tell you is the DGD has now worked through its pipeline of expensive fat and we're seeing margins improve there back to where we think they should be for the year
It can utilize lower CI store feedstocks that will get that producer tax credit and it has an advantage over the imported biofuels
And so as this cycle changes, they've proven they have the operational capacity to capitalize on margin improvement in the industry
I mean if I look back at the November call, we had incredible momentum with fat prices still in the $0.55, $0.60 a pound range and when you do guidance in this business, you just stopped the world and say, if that price holds and the tonnage holds and DGD margins are x, this is what it's going to generate
And despite concerns about RIN markets and LCFS values, our outlook for this business remains very positive as decreasing fat prices are expected to bolster DGD margins
We are excited about entering the sustainable aviation fuel market in the near future and anticipate margins that are well within the expectations we have communicated
In 2023, Darling Ingredients delivered its sixth consecutive record year in terms of combined adjusted EBITDA at $1.61 billion
I think what we can say is that Diamond Green has a sustainable advantage over its competitors in the market
So there's a lot of good things that we see happen for the year out there
Miropasz closed here on the 1st of February that's three poultry plants investment case was exceeded at closed here, meaning it's doing better than we thought when we did the original deal, we kind of redid the diligence on that
So that's exciting
And so it's going to maintain that advantage as we cycle through this margin environment
These expenses were primarily offset by $115.4 million gross margin improvement in the Global Ingredients business as reflected in the gross margin percent increasing in fiscal 2023 to 24.2% as compared to 23.4% for fiscal year 2022
       

Bearish Statements during earnings call

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The other thing I would say is crusher margins have come down a lot as well
As we look back at 2023, we had a great first half of the year in Brazil, and then we had a challenge as prices came down around the globe to get the procurement team to react and realize that it's okay to do that
So if they don't run and operate, we're going to see weakness in [indiscernible] relative to other waste fats
Operating income decreased $90.4 million to $158.8 million for the fourth quarter of 2023 compared to $249.2 million for the fourth quarter of 2022, primarily due to Darling's share of Diamond Green Diesel's earnings decreasing $118.8 million attributable to lower RINs and LCFS values and a $60.9 million lower of cost or market adjustment
And clearly, what we've seen is if you're in the biodiesel business and you're running soybean oil today, you're negative
And if you can read the balance sheet, you can see the working capital out there, you could see that the consumer demand slowed down around the world, and that's built inventories in several of our businesses
In Brazil, we've got our challenges there in the sense that we bought a private company that didn't have the same ambition that Darling has towards margin management
And so really that whole biodiesel industry, it's just -- it's got more challenges from a margin standpoint than it did, and we'll see how all that plays out as we go forward
And so is it just the caution comes from the decline in fat prices that you've seen over the last several months that gives you pause or the lack of response, full response to RG margins
Protein prices have contracted a little bit, but at the end of the day, that's related to kind of a slowdown in global consumer demand, some destocking, that should come back
So when margins go negative, they don't necessarily turn it off right away, but it's something that you expect to see down the road
I think the thing that I would watch for is, what does the biodiesel industry do? We're seeing biodiesel margins now underwater for the first time in quite some time
This is a result of replenished global oilseed stocks, global consumer demand and phantom or delayed start-ups of renewable diesel plants
We see about 60% of the industry, though, is stand-alone and they're more vulnerable to just an absolute biodiesel margin
We got curtailed on gas
And I would just add, I think this is reflective of the challenge and trying to predict and estimate what's going to happen
So I think there's a lot of things that would allow this to reverse course faster than what normally see in a mature commodity market, but really difficult to predict exactly what that margin per gallon is going to look like over the course of the entire year
So it just makes it a lot more difficult to predict right now what's going to happen
The freestanding guys are clearly the ones that are vulnerable right now
It's just very difficult to predict exactly what margins are going to look like given all these variables that are out of our control
   

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