Earnings Sentiment

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Bullish Statements during Earnings call

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Utilization rates were at about 94% in Q4 as reported by RISI, which we believe represents a healthy supply and demand balance
I think we think it's a great set of customers, and we think we have plenty of room to grow
On our last call, I mentioned that we've made significant progress over the past few years, improving our operations and becoming a more competitive player in both of our businesses
So really, that upside is us capturing additional volume and having some additional wins in the market
It will add significant scale and growth capacity to our paperboard business and strengthen our position as a premier independent supplier of paperboard products to North American converters
It is a robust 10 million-ton market that is growing and well positioned to capitalize on sustainable consumer packaging trends
We delivered outstanding financial results, navigated through challenging market conditions and continue to prioritize our customers
For the full year 2024, we expect to maintain strong margins in tissue with stable volumes
With volume upside and cost synergies, we believe that Augusta will contribute $140 million to $150 million of adjusted EBITDA by the end of 2026
We expect the facility to be about 70% to 80% utilized in 2024 and assuming a 95% long-term utilization rate, we believe that we have up to 150,000 tons of volume upside
We are expecting continued strong performance in tissue
The acquisition is enabled by our strong balance sheet flexibility resulting from significant deleveraging that we began in 2020
Our balance sheet remains very strong, and our liquidity improved quarter-over-quarter, now totaling $277 million
Our top priority will be deleveraging the business toward our normalized goal of 2.5 times through the cycle, and we're confident in our ability to do so given our track record of cash flow generation and disciplined capital allocation
On the tissue side, we have a well-run business with an outstanding team that has a strong track record of performance improvement
As Arsen discussed, we are benefiting from previously announced price increases and lower input costs
The business performed very well on a consolidated basis with lower input costs and strong operating performance driving a healthy improvement in profitability
We have a fantastic tissue business
As you saw in our press release, we had a great year, driven by strong operational execution, lower input costs and continued strength in our tissue business
We remain optimistic that we can retain much of that margin improvement as we head into 2024
Our tissue business drove the improvement by more than doubling its adjusted EBITDA from $18 million in the fourth quarter of last year to $46 million this year
Our adjusted EBITDA margin was nearly 17%, driven by higher pricing, lower input costs and strong operational execution by our team
We had good operational performance across both businesses as we balance supply and demand to manage our inventories
Tissue demand continued to be strong, while paperboard remained soft
Our business remained very strong with revenue growing by 3% year-over-year and adjusted EBITDA more than doubling
As I mentioned earlier in my remarks, we remain optimistic about the long-term prospects for paperboard
On a full year basis, increasing pricing, shipments and production along with lower freight costs, all positively impacted our results
We're forecasting a gradual sequential improvement in demand starting in the first quarter of this year
Our goal is to bring together the best of Augusta and our existing mills to build a stronger paperboard business
We also expect a rebound in board demand in the second half of 2024
       

Bearish Statements during earnings call

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Our paperboard business delivered $37 million of adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter with continued soft demand and a natural gas disruption to significantly curtailed operations at our Lewiston facility
We experienced a severe weather event at our Lewiston mill in January that had an estimated $13 million negative impact
On a year-over-year basis, lower sales price and mix negatively impacted results, which was more than offset by lower input costs
And then just thinking through the utilization projection a bit when you talked about 70% to 80% in 2024, that would be a little bit softer than what you've seen across your own paperboard portfolio, although I think you've outperformed the market recently
Operating rates dipped to under 80% in the fourth quarter and were at about 84% for the year
Our planned major maintenance at Lewiston is expected to negatively impact adjusted EBITDA by $30 million to $35 million and we do expect price and cost to negatively impact us by an additional $40 million to $50 million
Based on AF&PA data, shipments were down about 16% full year 2023 versus 2022 and down 15% in the fourth quarter
Reflecting these trends, we see reported price decreases of $80 per ton in the second half of last year, and another $40 per ton in February of this year
If you look at RISI data, they were down by almost 20%, 25% year-over-year
In addition, we also experienced unplanned downtime during the quarter due to a disruption in natural gas supplies to our Lewiston facility in November
So it's -- there's a combination of two things: One is equipment damage
That makes sense, folding cartons and SBS is used more and higher-end applications and I think those have this have had some softness in 2023
That event negatively impacted us by approximately $1 million
Consumers are continuing to shift to private brands due to economic uncertainty and inflation
When the mill goes down and that kind of cold, it causes extensive damage
So part of it is just equipment damage and repairing equipment
It reflects a lower sales price and mix, lower volumes and higher costs
Maybe to start off, we've seen pricing move a little bit lower for SBS here
We took approximately 15% downtime on our paper machines during the quarter to balance supply and demand
On a full year basis, higher pricing on paperboard was offset by unfavorable mix and reduced operating schedules to match supply and demand
   

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