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| So that’s always that combination we feel very confident in, as well as helps provide confidence in our 2024 guidance and beyond |
| During the fourth quarter, we surpassed our pre-pandemic ADC all-time high |
| And I guess when the dust settles and there's a proper pipe setting mechanism for that, we're going to have a huge comparative advantage |
| The 2024 guidance assumes we are able to successfully offset continued marginal compression headwinds caused by above average hiring and retention levels along with wage increases outpacing our reimbursement in 2024 |
| So we feel very good when you talk about sort of I mean our relative position is very good in the industry as it improves |
| But when the dust settles, we have such a competitive advantage, and that is each call for service in this industry, because we have a broad service line that is plumbing, drain cleaning, excavation, water restoration each call is more valuable to us and we will be able to afford to pay more for those leads |
| VITAS' continued improvement in operating metrics is a result of our 12-month retention and hiring program launched in July of 2022 |
| So we have a -- we'll be providing services to a fairly stable, patient, patient of us, fairly solid customer base and we'll just be hoping to take market share with the continued aging of the blue collar workforce |
| I think our guidance represents a solid blueprint for this year |
| We thought we had a good solid quarter |
| Our 2024, VITAS guidance assumed strong ADC growth driven by continued successful hiring and retention of licensed staff |
| So steady as she goes on Roto-Rooter, but very -- very -- continues to be a very solid business |
| So I think there's a lot of favorable tailwinds about for 2024 and beyond around overall understanding of the hospice benefit acceptance and the fact that it is a really sustainable and high quality program for the country |
| And then you can take other pieces that are very favorable, like President Carter's continued journey on the benefit |
| I think we think it's achievable, but it definitely assumes a level of improved consumer sentiment and consumer demand sequentially as the year goes on |
| The other factors that you're referencing, whether it is aging demographics, people traditionally going into the age range where they access the hospice benefit, that's very favorable from a tailwind standpoint |
| As Mike previously mentioned, our fourth quarter 2023 EBITDA margin was positively impacted by a number of factors |
| Our guidance assumes improving demand trends starting in the second quarter of 2024 |
| To summarize, I'm pleased with the accelerated improvement in VITAS post-pandemic |
| Our balanced community-based strategy continues to be successfully executed by our team as illustrated by the consolidated 13.9% admissions increase in those segments during the fourth quarter |
| Roto-Rooter is well-positioned in spite of economic headwinds on the consumer spending in our sector; we anticipate continued expansion of market share by pressing Roto-Rooter's core competitive advantages in terms of excellent brand awareness, customer response time, 24/7 call centers and aggressive Internet presence |
| I'm particularly proud of the team for this achievement as it was accomplished faster than we originally forecasted when we began 2023 |
| I am also very pleased that we've continued to expand our workforce and patient capacity in the second half of 2023 without this retention program |
| Our fourth quarter 2023 operating results released last night reflect continued improvement in our VITAS' operational metrics |
| VITAS certainly the fourth quarter will be the best quarter |
| This program was very effective in stabilizing and expanding our patient capacity |
| There's definitely a ramping as well at Roto-Rooter as we talked a little bit before is sequentially, we think demand, hopefully, in our opinion is going to increase and improve as the year goes on |
| These strengthening admissions continue to drive higher patient census |
| The expense attributable to the retention bonus program in 2022 resulted in a 406 basis point improvement in the 2023 margin |
| Kevin McNamara And while we don't report them publicly, we continue to see very strong strength in referral growth, and that gives us great confidence that there continues to be share to be gained, and the only impediment would be staffing, which we feel very comfortable about continuing to methodically build |
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| Due to the nationwide deep freeze in early 2023, we believe that the first quarter of 2024 will be a difficult comparison for Roto-Rooter resulting in slight declines in revenue and profitability |
| Commercial revenue at Roto-Rooter declined 7.9% in the fourth quarter of 2023 compared to the same period of 2022 |
| The fourth quarter increase was below our internal target, but the lower number was not wholly unexpected as hiring around the holidays is more challenging due to individual schedules and vacation plans |
| As discussed over the past few quarters, Roto-Rooter continues to manage through what can only be described as ongoing headwinds in the consumer sentiment and consumer spending within our sector of the economy |
| And what do you expect for commercial demand in 2024 and what's your expectations for residential growth as well? Kevin McNamara Well, let me just start by saying, our commercial sales in Roto-Rooter in the fourth quarter were below our expectation |
| Roto-Rooter branch commercial revenue in the quarter totaled $56.8 million, a decrease of 7.9% over the prior year |
| The adjusted EBITDA margin in the quarter was 27.5%, which is 154 basis points below the prior year period, largely driven by an increase in Internet marketing costs |
| Overall, our call volume is down 18.7% when compared to the prior year quarter |
| Roto-Rooter generated quarterly revenue of $235.9 million in the fourth quarter of 2023, a decrease of 1.1% when compared to the prior year quarter |
| Adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter of 2023 totaled $64.9 million, a decrease of 6.4% compared to the prior year quarter |
| Excluding that one week in 2022, call volume is down 13% during the fourth quarter of 2023 compared to the same period as 2022 |
| We've noticed that some of the same demand issues with our commercial business as we have experienced with our residential business |
| For example, as our large big box commercial customers have struggled with demand issues, we have been approached with requests for significant decreases in prices |
| Finally, the lower than anticipated hiring rate in the fourth quarter previously discussed by Kevin, provided less drag on the adjusted EBITDA margin from onboarding and training costs |
| Just double clicking on Roto-Rooter, you saw a pretty sizable deceleration in commercial growth in 4Q |
| So suffice it to say we're knocking on wood here, but in the short and mid-term outlook, cap is unlikely to rear its ugly head |
| The acuity mix shift negatively impacted revenue growth 38 basis points in the quarter when compared to the prior year revenue and level of care mix |
| Now with regard to looking out for the future, I think that when all the dust continues to settle on Google marketing, which is a problem now, because in this tough sales environment, we're spending a lot more on Google marketing than we were a year ago |
| Forecasting around how much headwinds there is on marginal compression given pricing lagging and never catching up to real cost of operating the business is impossible to forecast what that means out multiple years at this point |
| What our belief is that it's a tough patch |
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