Earnings Sentiment

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Bullish Statements during Earnings call

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Favorable mix came from improving demand in packaging and consumer end markets, as well as certain applications in our composites platform, such as defense
Color also benefited from improving demand in consumer and packaging market, which has a favorable impact on mix for the segment
Then on top of that, in the near term, we can augment that growth further by really notching up cross selling and collaboration across businesses, as well as replication at scale, which means, really, how fast can we replicate our success with one customer at other places with scale, especially with some OEM accounts, that's a great opportunity for us
I think our teams are doing a very good job in terms of really doing the best use of customer stratification and utilizing data and information to serve our customers in a more proficient way
To reiterate, we are seeing improving trends in our largest end markets, packaging and consumer, and strong demand for defense applications
The team has done a really great job managing inventory in light of sales being more uncertain
And there, the team has done a great job on cost reduction, maintaining price discipline, and also margin expansion
Lastly, Europe's underlying demand is likely to be muted, but we can confidently say destocking is done and we believe sustainable solutions, especially in packaging, will help us grow year-over-year
I'm confident he will drive profitable growth and create long term value for our shareholders
All in all, we were able to grow EBITDA 7% despite sales being down 9% for the quarter
Is that going to be followed by some price kickbacks to your customers?  Ashish Khandpur From our perspective, we see that the team has done a good job maintaining the pricing discipline, even as things have begun to normalize
I'm very pleased that we finished the year better than expected, and we view that as positive news as we head into 2024
Rounding out the end markets, sales and defense applications continue to be strong, as demand remains high in light of continued geopolitical tensions and recent conflicts overseas
It is a retirement well-earned and I wish him the very best in health and happiness
Given the diversity of our customer base and technology portfolio, these conversations are proving to be extremely valuable, as we further evolve how and where we serve our current and future customers to profitably grow our business
And I think that's one thing that Avient gets very well
Leveraging these, along with amplifying innovation in high growth market segments or around secular trends will help us grow profitably in a sustained manner
The team did a great job laying out the market dynamics underlying sustainable solutions, as well as showcasing many of our differentiated formulations at last September's Investor Day
I'm also impressed with the trajectory of our composites portfolio as it continues to displace wood, glass or metal in an increasing number of applications
First is driving profitable organic top line growth, while expanding our margins on the bottom line
One is that, in the near term, as we pointed out, our growth drivers, the four growth drivers of sustainable solutions, composites, healthcare, and the emerging regions are going to be a catalyst for not just growth, because they are in high growth markets growing at 5% plus end markets, but also for margin expansion because they're accretive to the margin
From a segment perspective, Color, Additives and Inks grew EBITDA 20% in the quarter, driven by the earnings improvement in Europe
Ultimately, our ability to price effectively, capture deflation and manage costs allowed us to grow EBITDA by 7% and adjusted EPS by 24%
Regionally, Europe was the key contributor to the margin expansion and drove the year-over-year earnings growth in the quarter
So, I think a combination of those three things that I mentioned would give us not just growth, but also good margin expansion because we will be differentiated
And while some of our healthcare customers continue to manage the inventory levels to start the year, we expect to see improvement in demand as we progress through 2024
And I think that's a real improvement and will give us a competitive advantage
We are optimistic that demand in the US will strengthen as destocking comes to an end across all markets
This margin expansion was driven by favorable mix, deflating input costs and prudent cost management
Fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA margins of 15.9% was also slightly ahead of our guidance and reflects a 240 basis point improvement versus the prior year
       

Bearish Statements during earnings call

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Looking at performance versus the prior year fourth quarter, sales were down 9%, mostly due to weaker demand, with some offset in price and mix and a marginal benefit from FX
The Specialty Engineered Materials segment was down $6 million in EBITDA from the prior-year quarter and $5 million of this reduction is due to exposure in the telecommunications end market where demand was significantly down
Conversely, in the back half, we have some headwinds associated with an incentive reset
In EMEA, demand remains tepid with consumer staying cautious due to prolonged geopolitical issues, higher interest rates and the lack of government stimulus or infrastructure spending compared to other regions
Telecommunications was the weakest end market for us in the fourth quarter, and we expect softness to continue in the first half of 2024
It is worth noting that both packaging and consumer sales were down sequentially only 4% and 3%, respectively, from the third quarter to the fourth, despite the fact typical fourth quarter seasonality we experienced in our business
And then, if we take a look specifically in China, that's where we see some weakness in consumer, which is not to be unexpected, just because of that sentiment that's in that region
While fourth quarter sales in healthcare were down 9% year-over-year, the pace of destocking has also started to slow
And we mentioned this on the call, in the back half, we do have some headwinds with regards to incentives being reset
In Asia, our outlook remains cautious due to uncertainties in the China economy, and it remains to be seen how the new government stimulus package will translate to spurring the economy in 2024
Consumer was down 12% in the fourth quarter
As I mentioned in the prepared remarks, right, the packaging and consumer declined slower than what we would see in typical seasonality from Q3 to Q4
Our next chapter at Avient will challenge us in new and exciting ways
Some visibility issues as we think about the first quarter is that we're in the middle of Chinese New Year
With respect to geographies, I think we still see some slowness in the European market with packaging and consumer
In industries which are sensitive to interest rates and are more capital intensive, such as building and construction and industrial, we do see continued softness, both from destocking and overall demand
So, Jamie, would you like to add something?  Jamie Beggs Mike, I think we tried to describe in the call today, the first half in particular, if we take a look at telecom and healthcare where we still see discontinued destocking, I think that's the reason why we believe that the first half will be slower than the second half in terms of volume recovery
A transformation of any kind is difficult, difficult for an organization to go through, but even more challenging for the person leading it
Starting with demand, it is down less compared to previous quarters as the pace of destocking slowed in most end markets
Rising interest rates and destocking have definitely impacted demand here, as has the delayed timing of projects flowing from the BEAD program
   

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