Earnings Sentiment

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Bullish Statements during Earnings call

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We feel like we are in good shape
This was an all-time company record and reflects an annual run rate of $336.8 million that demonstrates the company's ability to quickly flex up to meet an increasing demand at our sites in Rhode Island and Mexico along with a bit of capacity from our supplemental supply for energy industrial products, which drove $3.1 million of our revenues in December
The favorable trends around raw material costs could also continue to help make up for some of the recent increases, the world is seeing on inbound freight costs along some of the main sea freight routes in Europe and the Middle East
With this revenue baseline, we believe that we can deliver positive operating income in 2024, which assuming our depreciation and amortization being of around $30 million would translate into over $30 million of EBITDA
These numbers signify record performance and we believe are signs of good things to come
On the left side of this slide, one can see that we spent the last 12 months improving the profit potential of our business quarter-over-quarter, while also reducing our CapEx by over 50% from the same quarter last year
And as Ricardo says, we feel confident in what we talked about today
But again, the team has done an excellent job on this
Upside to the $150 million can be driven by a more favorable product mix that requires less than [10] hours of our capacity, ramping up additional supplemental supply and utilizing some capacity in Rhode Island that isn't taken up by thermal barrier aerogel production in the first half of the year
In 2023, actual global EV production was 900,000 units higher than the expectations from October of 2021, demonstrating not only that global EV production increased by 28%, but that this market continued to grow at a high rate
But then again, I mean, I think our team has been really incredible at coming up with a couple of breakthroughs here, particularly in improving our yields and we're still working on that
We also announced the successful launch of our supplemental supply to serve our important Energy Industrial segment
It's no surprise that the lion's share of our 39% quarter-over-quarter revenue ramp was driven by a meaningful increase in demand of EV thermal barrier parts for General Motor’s Ultium platform vehicles
Energy Industrial activity remains strong across all regions and segments of the business
EV thermal barrier revenue of $52.9 million was up 110% year-over-year and 61% quarter-over-quarter, reflecting the accelerating ramp in GM's production of Ultium platform based electric vehicles during the second half of the year and stable volumes on the Toyota related nameplates that we supply, along with increasing prototype orders from additional customers
If we compare this quarter with Q3, our EV thermal barrier gross profit improved by $11.7 million on incremental revenue of $20.1 million
We have an excellent team serving this global market and we anticipate that it will meet our growth and profitability expectations
The January announcement also hinted at a vastly-improved profitability profile for the company overall
With Q4 revenue of over $84 million, gross margin of 35% and adjusted EBITDA of over $9 million, we began to demonstrate the leverage of efficient operations, higher volumes and fuller fixed cost absorption
In Q4, company level gross profit margins were 35% and our gross profit of $29.6 million is a $15.3 million improvement over our gross profit of $14.3 million during the same quarter last year
As I noted earlier, Q4 revenue was over $84 million and it substantially exceeded the record revenue of approximately $60 million that we posted just the quarter before
The recent work from our team increasing the uptime of our equipment in Mexico and driving an optimized production mix in Rhode Island, along with improving our production yields at every step of the process is paying off and we still got more opportunity for improvement
Over the past year, our deep engagement with the various EV OEMs has helped us to accurately calibrate the trajectory of the EV trend, while we recognize the challenges that EV OEMs face with launching and scaling new EV nameplates, we are confident that we will see continued substantial PyroThin thermal barrier growth in 2024
This is the result of much better fixed cost absorption on our aerogel production costs, driven by the higher sales run rate level of this quarter
The strong gross margin expansion and a careful approach to OpEx translated into a similar quarterly progression for adjusted EBITDA, culminating in adjusted EBITDA margin of positive 11% in Q4
Our projections are strong
We've positive EBITDA as of fourth quarter
This growth reflects the benefit of starting a business that supplies the EV market from zero and realizing over 77% of our sales in this segment during the second half of the year did not surprise us
Again, very impressive
We believe we are well-positioned to attain this level of performance
       

Bearish Statements during earnings call

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Even though we delivered $9.1 million of EBITDA in Q4, the $30 million 2024 EBITDA outlook takes into account some potential headwinds to our near-term profitability such as the cost of new launches, higher part prototype sales, engineering changes that could lead to inventory obsolescence and expedited freight costs driven by the start stop nature of some of the nameplates in our thermal barrier demand
200,000 units in our view is a capacity and supply problem, not a demand one
Our full year net loss of $45.8 million is $36.9 million lower than our loss of $82.7 million during last year or down by 45%
Revenue continued to be supply constrained in Q4 even though we tested the system during the quarter, with supplemental supply manufacturing delivering $3.1 million of product in December
And they have some -- that large customer has indicated that they've had some issues module production
Our quarterly sales of $31.3 million reflect a 9% year-over-year decrease and a 12% quarter-over-quarter increase
Putting these elements together, our adjusted EBITDA was $9.1 million in Q4, compared to negative $4.5 million during the same period last year, resulting in a $13.6 million year-over-year reduction in our EBITDA loss
As you know, George, it's a challenging problem and to solve and that's why I'm doing so could be so valuable to us and to the industry overall
In summary, over the next 5 years, we estimate that there are over $4.4 billion of excess demand between our customers' estimates of their demand and our latest capacity plan assessment
Our net loss in Q4 decreased to $0.5 million or $0.01 per share versus a net loss of $9.6 million or $0.20 per share in the same quarter of 2022
These were down by about $200,000 quarter-over-quarter and reflect the first quarterly decrease in OpEx that we've had since Q2 of 2020
And it's still a possibility
Look, I mean, if you look at the performance in Q4, Don, I have been joking here, we almost feel like we ran a 6 minute mile on the treadmill and our knee sort of hurt
At the same time, we foresaw that as soon as light vehicle production ramped up to pre-COVID levels, consumers wouldn't necessarily be able to pay COVID era pricing for new vehicles and that either retail inventories would increase or that pricing for new mass market vehicles would need to decrease
Just do the quick math around how much material you've shipped into customers like GM versus how much their sell through has been? There seems to be a little bit of discrepancy there
That probably suits us quite well
As I mentioned earlier, a year ago, we were quick to assess that in a rising interest rate environment, our potential customers would be forced to reassess some of their EV investment commitments from 2020 and 2021
And then, we don't want to undercut what your team has achieved
So, I mean so far we still see a pull for parts
Can we just chalk up some of that shipments relative to sell through to issues with module production? Or is there a worry that that might come back to bite Aspen in the future? Ricardo Rodriguez Thanks, George
   

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